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		<title>By: Netprophet</title>
		<link>http://greenerworking.com/report-this-years-odd-cold-snaps-are-due-to-global-warming/comment-page-1#comment-4725</link>
		<dc:creator>Netprophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings from eastern PA where we now have 2 and half feet of snow.

Those that post arguing that somone is &quot;biased&quot; for taking a position can never see that they are biased themselves and rarely put forth a coherent set of arguments rooted in evidence.  They also can never seem to understand that truth or reality can be known amidst the lies and deception.

Therefore a few facts are in order.  The IPCC&#039;s own data show that less than 3% of the CO2 in the atmosphere derives from manmade sources.  Further, CO2 is only 4% of the greenhouse gas in the atmosphere (90% of it is water vapor).  Yet, the global warming alarmists argue to try to deceive the public is that the ppm level of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased steadily from 280 to the current 380, a 36% increase since the early 1800&#039;s when industrialization began leaving the public to conclude that industrialization is the evil culprit.  What they NEVER explain is how it can be that CO2 has increased 36% presumably due to human activity while all scientific measurements conclude that less than 3% of current CO2 levels comes from manmade sources.  Someone is wrong here.  

The mountain of evidence for the large increase in CO2 since the early 1800&#039;s is the natural cycle of minute ocean temperature changes.  A slight increase in ocean temperature (potentially caused by sun activity) releases dissolved CO2 into the atmosphere accounting for the change from 280 to 380 ppm.  In other words, it is temperature that drives CO2 levels not the other way around!  As the IPCC&#039;s own data show, very little if any of the increase is due to the manmade sources.   

One is then left to wonder what could possibly motivate people to perpetuate the fraud of AGW?  That is where bias and speculation do play a part.  Is it money, research grants, disdain of fossil fuel sources, earth worship, who knows?  Meanwhile, they can cast aspersions at people and institutions they despise with claims that people like me are &quot;biased&quot; simply because we make an argument rooted in knowledge.  They will rely on junk science while promoting the idiocy of &quot;go green&quot; in the face of all the evidence to the contrary simply to make themselves feel good about protecting the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from eastern PA where we now have 2 and half feet of snow.</p>
<p>Those that post arguing that somone is &#8220;biased&#8221; for taking a position can never see that they are biased themselves and rarely put forth a coherent set of arguments rooted in evidence.  They also can never seem to understand that truth or reality can be known amidst the lies and deception.</p>
<p>Therefore a few facts are in order.  The IPCC&#8217;s own data show that less than 3% of the CO2 in the atmosphere derives from manmade sources.  Further, CO2 is only 4% of the greenhouse gas in the atmosphere (90% of it is water vapor).  Yet, the global warming alarmists argue to try to deceive the public is that the ppm level of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased steadily from 280 to the current 380, a 36% increase since the early 1800&#8242;s when industrialization began leaving the public to conclude that industrialization is the evil culprit.  What they NEVER explain is how it can be that CO2 has increased 36% presumably due to human activity while all scientific measurements conclude that less than 3% of current CO2 levels comes from manmade sources.  Someone is wrong here.  </p>
<p>The mountain of evidence for the large increase in CO2 since the early 1800&#8242;s is the natural cycle of minute ocean temperature changes.  A slight increase in ocean temperature (potentially caused by sun activity) releases dissolved CO2 into the atmosphere accounting for the change from 280 to 380 ppm.  In other words, it is temperature that drives CO2 levels not the other way around!  As the IPCC&#8217;s own data show, very little if any of the increase is due to the manmade sources.   </p>
<p>One is then left to wonder what could possibly motivate people to perpetuate the fraud of AGW?  That is where bias and speculation do play a part.  Is it money, research grants, disdain of fossil fuel sources, earth worship, who knows?  Meanwhile, they can cast aspersions at people and institutions they despise with claims that people like me are &#8220;biased&#8221; simply because we make an argument rooted in knowledge.  They will rely on junk science while promoting the idiocy of &#8220;go green&#8221; in the face of all the evidence to the contrary simply to make themselves feel good about protecting the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: JSambdman</title>
		<link>http://greenerworking.com/report-this-years-odd-cold-snaps-are-due-to-global-warming/comment-page-1#comment-4700</link>
		<dc:creator>JSambdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a firm voluntaryist, as such I see government as the problem. The true reason for pollution is the fact that private property rights are violated so frequently by those who are charged with protecting them. If I own a particular lake, i will not overfish or pollute it as that would destroy my future revenues and degrade the value of my property, but if the lake is public, then I have no incentive to be careful with how many fish I catch or how much I pollute, as I must compete with everyone else who is fishing. There is an excellent book by Leonard Read (&quot;I, Pencil&quot;) here in audiobook format http://mises.org/media/3078 
Also, there is an excellent series of books by political scientists James L Payne here http://www.lyttonpublishing.com/navinavisits_voluntaria.html
&quot;Princess Navina Visits Voluntaria&quot;, describes how a voluntaryist society might look. There is also a free audiobook of &quot;The Market for Liberty&quot; by Linda and Morris Tannehill here - http://freekeene.com/free-audiobook/ 
In this book, the author goes into great detail how a society based on voluntary mutual cooperation might work. IF you believe that such a thing can&#039;t possibly work, it is happening right now in Somalia - http://mises.org/daily/2066
I too hope we can all work toward a less cluttered, stuff filled life. I call it sustainable living. But it will start with each of us refusing to be a part of the problem on our own and doing our part to stop feeding into the destructive over-consumptive, debt riddled lifestyle we are told we should want. Buy less, use less, save more. Buy locally, grow your own food, get to know your neighbors. It would be a start anyway, and government mandates aren&#039;t necessary to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a firm voluntaryist, as such I see government as the problem. The true reason for pollution is the fact that private property rights are violated so frequently by those who are charged with protecting them. If I own a particular lake, i will not overfish or pollute it as that would destroy my future revenues and degrade the value of my property, but if the lake is public, then I have no incentive to be careful with how many fish I catch or how much I pollute, as I must compete with everyone else who is fishing. There is an excellent book by Leonard Read (&#8220;I, Pencil&#8221;) here in audiobook format <a href="http://mises.org/media/3078" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/media/3078</a><br />
Also, there is an excellent series of books by political scientists James L Payne here <a href="http://www.lyttonpublishing.com/navinavisits_voluntaria.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lyttonpublishing.com/navinavisits_voluntaria.html</a><br />
&#8220;Princess Navina Visits Voluntaria&#8221;, describes how a voluntaryist society might look. There is also a free audiobook of &#8220;The Market for Liberty&#8221; by Linda and Morris Tannehill here &#8211; <a href="http://freekeene.com/free-audiobook/" rel="nofollow">http://freekeene.com/free-audiobook/</a><br />
In this book, the author goes into great detail how a society based on voluntary mutual cooperation might work. IF you believe that such a thing can&#8217;t possibly work, it is happening right now in Somalia &#8211; <a href="http://mises.org/daily/2066" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/daily/2066</a><br />
I too hope we can all work toward a less cluttered, stuff filled life. I call it sustainable living. But it will start with each of us refusing to be a part of the problem on our own and doing our part to stop feeding into the destructive over-consumptive, debt riddled lifestyle we are told we should want. Buy less, use less, save more. Buy locally, grow your own food, get to know your neighbors. It would be a start anyway, and government mandates aren&#8217;t necessary to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys Socialism has a 100% failure rate.

The best example of why is given below:
&quot;An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little. The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the reward but when a government takes all the reward away; no one will try or succeed.&quot;

The poorer the population the worse the pollution.  I&#039;ve traveled widely in the Philippines and know that to be true.  The best way to control Global Warming  (If you believe in it, I don&#039;t) is to raise the standard of living for everybody, not lower the standard of living for the producers.  I&#039;m all for helping those out at the bottom of the food chain by giving them a hand, (Habitat for Humanity is a great example.), but just giving some one something without any commitment for self improvement is doomed to failure after failure.

Want to cut CO2and Pollution?  Make sure the Utilities and industry are profitable so that they can afford to do so.  Taxing them and giving some lucky few the money just passes the misery down the chain as All atilities and companies pass the cost on.  That just makes sure home owners can&#039;t afford to improve their homes, buy energy efficient appliances, or energy efficient transportation or even care to do so.  Jobs leave the country and move to poorer countries that don&#039;t care about the environment.

Net result: More CO2 output.  More Pollution.  Not Less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys Socialism has a 100% failure rate.</p>
<p>The best example of why is given below:<br />
&#8220;An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.</p>
<p>All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little. The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.</p>
<p>The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the reward but when a government takes all the reward away; no one will try or succeed.&#8221;</p>
<p>The poorer the population the worse the pollution.  I&#8217;ve traveled widely in the Philippines and know that to be true.  The best way to control Global Warming  (If you believe in it, I don&#8217;t) is to raise the standard of living for everybody, not lower the standard of living for the producers.  I&#8217;m all for helping those out at the bottom of the food chain by giving them a hand, (Habitat for Humanity is a great example.), but just giving some one something without any commitment for self improvement is doomed to failure after failure.</p>
<p>Want to cut CO2and Pollution?  Make sure the Utilities and industry are profitable so that they can afford to do so.  Taxing them and giving some lucky few the money just passes the misery down the chain as All atilities and companies pass the cost on.  That just makes sure home owners can&#8217;t afford to improve their homes, buy energy efficient appliances, or energy efficient transportation or even care to do so.  Jobs leave the country and move to poorer countries that don&#8217;t care about the environment.</p>
<p>Net result: More CO2 output.  More Pollution.  Not Less.</p>
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		<title>By: Mon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I moved to the wrong points. My view was that &quot;Global warming&quot; needs better understanding. The article seemed to stir up all the misunderstanding surrounding the subject and yall are focusing on Cap and Trade.  Something needs to be done quickly and with enough pressure perhaps it will. I appreciate the shared thoughts and the &quot;stuff&quot; video is quite good. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I moved to the wrong points. My view was that &#8220;Global warming&#8221; needs better understanding. The article seemed to stir up all the misunderstanding surrounding the subject and yall are focusing on Cap and Trade.  Something needs to be done quickly and with enough pressure perhaps it will. I appreciate the shared thoughts and the &#8220;stuff&#8221; video is quite good. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: mike J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mon, if you want to see the true degradation of the environment go to other countries.  The US does a fair to middlin&#039; job of reclaimation and preservation.  The problem with the cap and trade and other regulations is that they increase the cost of doing business in the US.  net result???? the jobs and business goes overseas wherethere little or no regulation.  net result???? higher levels of pollution than if the regs weren&#039;t stiffened.  This is why any air regulations aimed at GHG&#039;s is pointless unless there is a global cap on everyone.   China, a non signatory nation to Kyoto, is now the #1 polluter in both GHG&#039;s and the more mundane SO2, NO2, PM, etc.  What good is it if we cut our emissions by 10 or 20 % if they raise their&#039;s by 50%??  (and in the process we lose 10 or 20 million jobs??).  The answer is no help at all; in fact it will pollute the planet more.  This is the problem with many in the environmentalist movement.  They do not realize that we live on one planet and unless the regulations are across borders they tend to dfrive industry to places where they can pollute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mon, if you want to see the true degradation of the environment go to other countries.  The US does a fair to middlin&#8217; job of reclaimation and preservation.  The problem with the cap and trade and other regulations is that they increase the cost of doing business in the US.  net result???? the jobs and business goes overseas wherethere little or no regulation.  net result???? higher levels of pollution than if the regs weren&#8217;t stiffened.  This is why any air regulations aimed at GHG&#8217;s is pointless unless there is a global cap on everyone.   China, a non signatory nation to Kyoto, is now the #1 polluter in both GHG&#8217;s and the more mundane SO2, NO2, PM, etc.  What good is it if we cut our emissions by 10 or 20 % if they raise their&#8217;s by 50%??  (and in the process we lose 10 or 20 million jobs??).  The answer is no help at all; in fact it will pollute the planet more.  This is the problem with many in the environmentalist movement.  They do not realize that we live on one planet and unless the regulations are across borders they tend to dfrive industry to places where they can pollute.</p>
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		<title>By: Mon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally I agree with you  JS until you go on......with everything wrong with government...and that list is longer than I can write about. Katrina exposed the worst of the mindset that Government doesn&#039;t work.....of course it won&#039;t work if you don&#039;t believe it can. 
What we need to do is accept the weaknesses of Govt, understand them, improve them and act . We cannot abandon the possibility of working together to make better decisions and flourish.
Good science, good conscience can work if there is a will.
Winter is not proof the problem is not us. Nor are a few bad e-mails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally I agree with you  JS until you go on&#8230;&#8230;with everything wrong with government&#8230;and that list is longer than I can write about. Katrina exposed the worst of the mindset that Government doesn&#8217;t work&#8230;..of course it won&#8217;t work if you don&#8217;t believe it can.<br />
What we need to do is accept the weaknesses of Govt, understand them, improve them and act . We cannot abandon the possibility of working together to make better decisions and flourish.<br />
Good science, good conscience can work if there is a will.<br />
Winter is not proof the problem is not us. Nor are a few bad e-mails.</p>
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		<title>By: JSambdman</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSambdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mon - Certainly we should be good stewards of the earth, and I agree that we consume way too much - visit www.thestoryofstuff.com for a good presentation - however, the proposed solutions of cap and trade will do nothing to mitigate overconsumption. All it will do is to redirect the meager wealth of the masses into the greedy hands of a very few politically connected individuals and international banks. All of this will be overseen by vast, wasteful and corrupt UN bureaucracies. My issue is with the wholesale destruction of individual liberty that is being touted as the solution, when in fact such a system will more than likely increase pollution. If you want to do something that would actually help the environment and reduce overconsumption, you should be in favor of ending all government subsidies of everything they subsidize. Subsidies by their nature cause a market distortion resulting in an overproduction of the thing subsidized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mon &#8211; Certainly we should be good stewards of the earth, and I agree that we consume way too much &#8211; visit <a href="http://www.thestoryofstuff.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestoryofstuff.com</a> for a good presentation &#8211; however, the proposed solutions of cap and trade will do nothing to mitigate overconsumption. All it will do is to redirect the meager wealth of the masses into the greedy hands of a very few politically connected individuals and international banks. All of this will be overseen by vast, wasteful and corrupt UN bureaucracies. My issue is with the wholesale destruction of individual liberty that is being touted as the solution, when in fact such a system will more than likely increase pollution. If you want to do something that would actually help the environment and reduce overconsumption, you should be in favor of ending all government subsidies of everything they subsidize. Subsidies by their nature cause a market distortion resulting in an overproduction of the thing subsidized.</p>
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		<title>By: Mon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By degrading I mean man&#039;s harmful effects on the environment. Sure, reclamation can work but it has been primarily by regulation. 
Climate change is one of many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By degrading I mean man&#8217;s harmful effects on the environment. Sure, reclamation can work but it has been primarily by regulation.<br />
Climate change is one of many.</p>
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		<title>By: mike J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mon, The article has nothing to do with what you state.  You should also define &quot;degrade&quot;.  Mountain top mining supposedly &quot;degrades&quot; the environment according to environmentalists yet studies have shown an increase in the abundance and diversity of wildlife after the sites are reclaimed.  Oil drilling operations in Alaska and off the coast have been shown to increase the abundance of wildlife; the one provide shelter not found in the area normally, the other acts as an artificial reef.  man does indeed change the ecosystem but it is improved just as often as it is degraded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mon, The article has nothing to do with what you state.  You should also define &#8220;degrade&#8221;.  Mountain top mining supposedly &#8220;degrades&#8221; the environment according to environmentalists yet studies have shown an increase in the abundance and diversity of wildlife after the sites are reclaimed.  Oil drilling operations in Alaska and off the coast have been shown to increase the abundance of wildlife; the one provide shelter not found in the area normally, the other acts as an artificial reef.  man does indeed change the ecosystem but it is improved just as often as it is degraded.</p>
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		<title>By: Mon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one good reason to deny the reality of over-consumption, dimenishing resources, and a degrading of earth&#039;s ecosystems.......ignorance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one good reason to deny the reality of over-consumption, dimenishing resources, and a degrading of earth&#8217;s ecosystems&#8230;&#8230;.ignorance!</p>
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