7 Responses to “Will the green team boycott Whole Foods?”

1. Philip Johnson Says:
   January 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

   It is good to see someone in a position to suffer for not being politically correct actually stand for truth. Many, if not the majority, of Mackey’s clientele are likely those who adhere to the global governance agenda disguised as global warming cum climate change theory. When the so called scientists involved are required to ignore or contradict opposing proofs it is clear that real science was not involved in coming up with the supposed “consensus” documents. Further, there has never been a consensus as has been shown by the thousands of true scientists who have stated either their doubts about the theory or are outright in disagreement.

   So, I applaud John Mackey for making an honest, though unpopular, observation public.

2. L. Sue Says:
   January 14th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

   Climate change IS happening, whether we like it or not. The warm places are getting warmer like California this January and cold places are getting colder like the NE. Dryr places are getting dryer and wet places are getting wetter. The changes are all over the place, whewther it’s warmer or colder, hence climate CHANGE! We still need to take actions to make this a healthier planet by being environmentally conscious.

3. Willie Says:
   January 14th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

   Kudos to John Mackey for being honest. L.Sue is correct that climate change is happening, but it’s been happening for millions of years. Blaming it on the human race is sensationalist journalism. We should strive to be greener for our own well being, not because some politician legislates it. Pollution (emissions, etc.) is an eyesore and is unhealthy; it doesn’t cause climate change. Mother Earth will be here long after we’re all gone, and she has always repaired “surface” damage without any help from mankind.

4. Robert Says:
   January 14th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

   PLEASE!!!!! Give me a break! Politically Correct? Carbon Dioxide doesn’t trap heat in the atmosphere? It seems like someone should take a college level chemistry class and learn the actual chemical properties of this molecule since the only reason live on Earth exists is because CO2 traps heat. If that wasn’t the case our planet would be more like Mars, you know dead. The bottom line is this has nothing to do with politics, this has to do with preserving the ability of this planet to sustain life. If you really think that proofs were ignored or contradicted, perhaps you should contact some of these scientists from NASA, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Marine Biological Laboratories, NOAA, etc, and explain to them the truth as you understand it to be. I’m sure they’d be enthralled to speak with you.

5. John Says:
   January 14th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

   Lets see. After being closed to shipping by ice for thousands of years, yachts are now going through the Northwest passage in a single summer season without great difficulty. Landscaping climate bands are shifting north because the weather is getting warmer. 95% of glaciers are retreating. Exotic warmth loving weeds are spreading north and, where I am, flowering months longer, And people are arguing nothing is happening?

   Go up 3.5 miles and you are above half of the atmosphere. Go up 6 miles you are at 25% and can only survive if you brought your own oxygen. The atmoshpere is THIN. We polluted vast areas of it with sulphur dioxide ( causing acid rain), and refrigerant gases (causing ozone depletion), both very tiny emissions by volume. These were caused by and cured by human actions and you argue we aren’t polluting it with billions of tons of CO2 released by hydrocarbon burning? You’ve got to be kidding. Your explanation for the extraordinary and rapid increase in CO2 levels above the past 600,000 years is WHAT??? The ability of “greenhouse” gases to retain heat is well known and solid science.

   The real debate is over the rapidity and severity of the impacts and how to deal with it. We know from the changes the ice records show about the glacial-interglacial periods that much smaller changes in CO2 levels produced very severe changes in the climate, and sometimes with shocking rapidity. We are rolling the dice bigtime.

   People bet on low probability events all the time, 5% chance, 10% chance. Does it make any sense to bet against something that is clearly already occurring by known scientific mechanisms and will become more difficult to address the longer we delay action?

   In a crowded and rapidly growing world (+1 billion per 14 years right now), major changes in the environment for crops are likely to create major population shifts and intense turmoil. Yet our pollution rate is still going up every year.

   Betting against a 90% certain phenomena is a lousy bet. Even if you think the risk is only 1%, would a rational man bet against it if the impacts were catastrophic? (Hmm. Wall Street bet on what they thought was a 1% risk and wrecked the economy, stuck us with the bill and are still getting bonuses. Are we doing the same thing with the planet?)

   The essential political problem is the 20-30 year time lag between doing the pollution and the impacts being felt.
   Dumping the problem on the next generation is a careless and unkind thing to do to our children and grandchildren. Lets not.

6. Bob4HR Says:
   January 14th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

   Robert, you are 100% correct. And Willie, you are correct that climate change has been happening for billions of years, but the current changes are unprecedented and putting pressure on our ecosystems at such an accelerated rate that plants and animals are unable to adapt. And as far as Mother Earth repairing “surface” damage without any help from mankind, the fact is mankind all to often has been the one causing the damage. Mankind should be using its knowledge and science to develop systems that work in conjuction with nature, not abusing it, so when natural, cyclical changes do occur, the natural systems can adapt instead of crashing.

   Here are some additional facts, based on scientific evidence:

   1. A study published in the journal Science reports that the current level of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere – about 390 parts per million – is higher today than at any time in measurable history — at least the last 2.1 million years. Previous peaks of CO2 were never more than 300 ppm over the past 800,000 years, and the concentration is rising by around 2 ppm each year.

   2. The World Meterological Organization reported that 2000-2009 was the hottest decade on record with 8 of the hottest 10 years having occurred since 2000.

   3. 2009 will end up as one of the 5 hottest years since 1850 and the U.K.’s Met Office predicts that, with a moderate El Nino, 2010 will likely break the record.

   4. The National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that while a bit more summer Arctic sea ice appeared in 2009 than the record breaking lows of the last two years, it was still well below normal levels. Given that the Arctic ice cover remains perilously thin, it is vulnerable to further melting, posing an ever increasing threat to Arctic wildlife including polar bears.

   5. The Arctic summer could be ice-free by mid-century, not at the end of the century as previously expected, according to a study by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

   6. Recent observations published in the highly respected Nature Geosciences indicate that the East Antarctica ice sheet has been shrinking. This surprised researchers, who expected that only the West Antarctic ice sheet would shrink in the near future because the East Antarctic ice sheet is colder and more stable.

   7. The U.S. Global Change Research Program completed an assessment of what is known about climate change impacts in the US and reported that, “Climate changes are already observed in the United States and… are projected to grow.” These changes include “increases in heavy downpours, rising temperature and sea level, rapidly retreating glaciers, thawing permafrost, lengthening ice-free seasons in the ocean and on lakes and rivers, earlier snowmelt, and alterations in river flows.”

   8. According to a report by the US Geological Survey, slight changes in the climate may trigger abrupt threats to ecosystems that are not easily reversible or adaptable, such as insect outbreaks, wildfire, and forest dieback. “More vulnerable ecosystems, such as those that already face stressors other than climate change, will almost certainly reach their threshold for abrupt change sooner.” An example of such an abrupt threat is the outbreak of spruce bark beetles throughout the western U.S. caused by increased winter temperatures that allow more beetles to survive.

   9. The EPA, USGS and NOAA issued a joint report warning that most mid-Atlantic coastal wetlands from New York to North Carolina will be lost with a sea level rise of 1 meter or more.

   10. If we do not reduce greenhouse gas emissions by the end of the century, some of the main fruit and nut tree crops currently grown in California may no longer be economically viable, as there will be a lack of the winter chilling they require. And, according to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, U.S. production of corn, soybeans and cotton could decrease as much as 82%.

   You can deny the facts, but if we do nothing, to paraphrase a well-know phrase, “Hell hath no fury like a Mother Earth scorned”.

7. RQ Says:
   January 20th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

   Unbelievable the level of ignorance out there. How is it that these self righteous idiots, who deny human global climate change, have any traction at all? If you deny climate change is human induced then you are responsible for the world’s destruction. You are jeapordizing everything the world cherishes and very life itself. But I guess you wouldn’t want to err on the side of safety and consider that it may be a real concern.

   It makes me sick how these clowns claim that science (if you call it that) from their side is being denied when for decades the status quo was to deny the vastly clear evidence that climate change even exists- let alone if human made or not. Maybe these clowns will wake up when much of the world is innundated by water. But of course; they don’t really care do they. They just want to believe what they believe and really don’t care about the well being of other civilizations or the earth. Their greed and self centered attitude is why we are in this mess now and why we will really be so in the future. Unfortunately, I think we’re pretty close to not being able to turn it back. The fools have screwed the world. And somehow they still feel like they are in the camp of truth. How disheartening.